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Author:  MindZen [ Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Multiple Clipping+Tagging for Easier Workflow on Large Projects

Let’s say I start a project and have 5 video files imported, all 1 hour.

I want to be able to load up each 1 hour long video files, watch them, and from time to time (when I see something specific I want to use), I can clip that segment, tag it immediately, and put it into a created bin for its purpose. I then want to continue watching the rest of the video from where I stopped to clip, and do the process over and over again, collecting all the clips i want IN ONE SITTING.

I don’t care, as far as the coding is concerned, if Lumafusion actually creates a seperate file or not for the clips (it would be nice if it didn’t though), all I want is to search for my tags or manually search in a bin for my clip, grab the 2 minutes clip I wanted, and put it into the timeline. In either case, i need to see the 2 minute clip as a SEPERATE video, preferably in a bin that I am able to create (multiple bins should be allowed too).

Right now, clipping has to go directly into the timeline (please correct me if I’m wrong). This means I have to search for what i want every time i need a smaller segment from a 1 hour video. This is horribly tedious and for that reason, I don’t use Lumafusion (which i bought and am happy to do so) even though, other then this issue, it is a great video editor.

its also quite annoying that when I load up my 1 hour video, search through it, finally find what I’m looking for, clip it, drag it to the timeline, do some other stuff, then come back to that SAME video because i need to clip another segment from it ... Lumafusion loads up the previous clip points. This is highly annoying because I have to stretch out both clip points to include the whole video so i can watch it again ... so i can find that other 2 minute segment somewhere within the 1 hour video.

Yea ... I’m having to rewatch it ove and over and over for each individual clip. Ok, ok ... sure, i could bring out a pad and paper and record the time stamps ... but, i’ll Be honest ... I’m not going to do that.

Thank you for your time, and hope something like this can be implemented, because if it is ... I would definitely use Lumafusion for most of my video editing projects.

P.S. If anyone has a workaround or tip on anything i mentioned, i would be delighted to hear about it. I haven’t used Lumafusion all that much because once i figured out I couldn’t do what i suggested above, i stopped using it.

Author:  Mark NZL [ Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Multiple Clipping+Tagging for Easier Workflow on Large Projects

Could you perhaps go through each source clip and make a new video of all your selections. Then export and use that as your new source. You would of course have to select parts or cut it in the timeline .
Alternatively perhaps keep all your cuts on the timeline and then drag them up to to the next track to make that the new video. You might have to use overwrite instead of insert timing and color coding might be useful to easily spot your original sources.
I’m sorry I don’t understand the problem with the preview retaining the previous selection. Can’t you just resume viewing at the previous out point and then move the in/out points when you find the next bit you want? You can even do this dynamically with the buttons without stopping the preview playing.
Yes it would be easier if you could export or bin parts of a clip or project but these are some ideas. Sorry if I’ve misunderstood

Author:  MindZen [ Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Multiple Clipping+Tagging for Easier Workflow on Large Projects

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Could you perhaps go through each source clip and make a new video of all your selections. Then export and use that as your new source. You would of course have to select parts or cut it in the timeline .
Alternatively perhaps keep all your cuts on the timeline and then drag them up to to the next track to make that the new video. You might have to use overwrite instead of insert timing and color coding might be useful to easily spot your original sources.
I’m sorry I don’t understand the problem with the preview retaining the previous selection. Can’t you just resume viewing at the previous out point and then move the in/out points when you find the next bit you want? You can even do this dynamically with the buttons without stopping the preview playing.
Yes it would be easier if you could export or bin parts of a clip or project but these are some ideas. Sorry if I’ve misunderstood
I actually was playing around with Lumafusion last night (I have just upgraded my Ipad) and thought about putting the smaller clips in one of the timelines as a holder for when i need later as you mentioned. You can individually name them too which i believe is new from the last time i tested out Lumafusion (before, i believe if you renamed the cut clip, it renamed the origina clip too) Also something new i believe is that when you go back to your original clip (where you have already produced a shorter cut clip), you can access the whole clip without moving the brackets to include the whole clip. I believe before, you could only play within the brackets.

So, I appreciate the direction Lumafusion is heading ... they have fixed some of the naggging things that forced me to not use it.

But i have to be brutally honest here. The suggestion I wrote about originally is basically a COMMON feature of video editing software, and I shouldn’t have to do work around to do a basic common task. I know that sounds snarky but i don’t mean it to be ... but its just true.

I was actually shocked that something like that was was not a feature already when i bought Lumafusion. What shocks me more is that there isn’t 50 replies already “+1”ing my thread in agreement. Am I the only one that finds Lumafusion almost unusable without the ability to pre-cut all my clips, tag them, and store them later for a quick and easy workflow? Its already hard enough dealing with IOS file management system and all the quirks and workarounds you have to deal with that.

Author:  Mark NZL [ Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Multiple Clipping+Tagging for Easier Workflow on Large Projects

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I was actually shocked that something like that was was not a feature already when i bought Lumafusion. What shocks me more is that there isn’t 50 replies already “+1”ing my thread in agreement. Am I the only one that finds Lumafusion almost unusable without the ability to pre-cut all my clips, tag them, and store them later for a quick and easy workflow? Its already hard enough dealing with IOS file management system and all the quirks and workarounds you have to deal with that.
I completely understand your frustration but the fact that you don’t get 50 “+1”s reflects that the number of people video editing on iOS is fairly small and the number of active users on this forum is very small. The LumaFusion team is also tiny and simply don’t have the resources to add every feature on their to do list. Everyone has different needs and what you and I would like is maybe not what most users care about. Is there a better option on iOS? Personally I keep coming back to LumaFusion even though I’d prefer more features to automate and simplify repetitive editing rather than doing everything manually.

Author:  Louvnj [ Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Multiple Clipping+Tagging for Easier Workflow on Large Projects

Hi Mindzen,
I agree with everything you mention on project organization and storage. I made very similar comments to the team for Pinnacle Pro before they developed Lumafusion. I believe the true issue preventing these features is iOS itself, and the lack of access to a file system as Apple wants it to be. Working in the iOS world is a compromise. I can import my videos via sd reader yet not save my finished videos to the sd card because Apple doesn't want me to. I like to archive my videos to my physical hard drive. I have to wirelessly transmit them to my drive, then rename the files on the PC, it's a pia. Many will say upload to the cloud. Sure, upload 6 hours of video from last weekend to Dropbox, it might finish by next weekend. It is all a compromise. Lumafusion gives tremendous capabilities for mobile editing and harnessing the power of iOS devices. And they keep adding many, many features not found on iOS apps. I do youth sports games and don't make tons of clips per game, and try to get the games completed and on Vimeo the same day, so Lumafusion allows me to do that. I cannot easily save those clips that I need for an end of season highlight reel though.

Another thing that hinders iPad is Apple not supporting a mouse, and the ability to "right click" to bring up menus. It forces developers to have to find somewhere on every screen to put options, and editing has a lot of options.

So it's really what your requirements are, and what works for you. Lumafusion has done a great job bringing many desktop capabilities to the iOS world.

Lou

Author:  androum [ Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Multiple Clipping+Tagging for Easier Workflow on Large Projects

Hello everyone

great comments here and I really appreciate the discussion.

We do have these work flow ideas in our feature list database, and we will be getting to them.

There is another workflow that might be useful:

Placing the selected parts of the long clips on the timeline as the sorting process.
Archiving this timeline with trimmed media would create individual clips.
Restoring that project would create a folder with just those clips in it.

Obviously you will need to have enough storage on your device to do this, or be willing to remove the longer clips to make space.

Something to note: In my test, I color tagged the timeline clips, renamed them and added notes.
After I restored the project, the color tags remained but the new clip names and clip notes did not carry through.

Hope this helps.


regards

Androu Morgan

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